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Nov 3, 2004

At 11:23 AM, November 03, 2004, Blogger Dylan said...

The greatest thing about our country, and probably what it needs now, is the understanding that one can be a Republican or Democrat and still have disagreements with our own party. We don't have to disagree with everything Bush does just because it is Bush who does it.

But we should still speak out when we see something we don't like, and we should still be active. It is not only important, but it is our duty.

At 11:30 AM, November 03, 2004, Blogger Ty said...

I absolutely agree. I am not suggesting in any way that we should stop speaking out.In fact, I think we should speak out more, just in a much different way. I am just suggesting that we need to move out of the past and focus on the present and future. We need to stop the pettiness. At the same time we need to fight for our beliefs. But we can't do it the way we have gotten accustomed to which is blaming Bush and faulting him for everything. In all honesty, he was not the cause of EVERY problem we have faced in the last 4 years. He has just been a very easy target. We, "non-Republicans" have got to take the high road. If we don't, then the country is headed into the metaphorical toilet.

At 11:38 AM, November 03, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Positive debate and genuine dialogue without personal attacks has always been what I desired.

The problem is that if only one side holds themselves to that standard then the Fox News Phenomenon transpires. And in this media-driven culture, the more sensational the message, the greater the audience. It's disgusting and deplorable. And I think a lot of liberals feel like trying to take the high road has gotten them....8 years of Bush. I'm not arguing for anything less than the high road. But I am saying that the Republican campaign machine knows how to duke it out down on the low road and we haven't done a very good job of figuring out a way to elevate the discussion.

I too am a social liberal and an economic conservative...but I'm starting to lose sight of which party serves economic conservatism and fisca responsibility. What I fear is that this administration will continue to grow the deficit and leave us in such desperate straits that the next administration (possibly a Democrat administration) will have no CHOICE but to raise taxes....and the cycle continues ad infinitum...and it's that kind of irresponsible short-term thinking that I find so scary.

I am willing to let bygones be bygones on both a political and personal level. But I won't ever be OK with handing over the hard-won civil rights of women and minorities to an administration from either political party. When that happens the Commie Pinko Party won't be an inside ironic'll be a sad reality.


At 11:59 AM, November 03, 2004, Blogger Ty said...

Again I agree. I am not sure if you guys are commenting out of disagreement with what I said or not. But we all are thinking the same things. This is where voices and inflections come in handy.

I don't plan to hand over my rights either. But I know if we don't save the country as a whole I may never have that choice. If God forbid, Roe vs. Wade was overturned, it could be reinstated at a later date. But if our entire country falls apart or falls into civil war, it won't matter if Roe vs. Wade is still there. Our choice could be gone. I think above all else, at this point in time, we need to focus on things that this country agrees upon. We generally all agree on improving education. Lets spend some time talking about that. Or let's talk about the war on drugs (whatever happened to that??)...there are issues that both sides can get behind and I think for this country to not be torn apart we need to focus on them for a while.

I know to this point the high road has been hard, but even metaphorically that is the way it has always been. The high road means a harder climb and more work, but the low road is the easy way out. I just can't see anyway other way to bring this country together than to en mass take the high road. We should follow Kerry's lead. He did not draw out the election for his own sake. For the sanity of the country, he conceded.

Also, I want to let you both know that this was in no way an attack on you. I think 90% of the time you both are diplomatic and don't throw any low blows. And as for the 10% I am leaving out, I don't think anyone can do that 100% of the time. And sometimes a low blow is either deserved or, well, funny.

At 12:34 PM, November 03, 2004, Blogger Dylan said...

We are all in agreement... just commenting...

At 12:59 PM, November 03, 2004, Blogger Ty said...

Ok, good! I think I am a little jumpy after last night.

At 1:22 PM, November 03, 2004, Blogger Dylan said...

Not to worry! We're all still pals!


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